Ideology and Its Immune Response

and on the violence of identity Yesterday, I forced myself to look through an archive of thousands of screenshots I really didn’t want to see. I’ve been doing things like this a lot lately. Part of it is for research, as I’m working on a book to be published next year about the “woke” madness,…


and on the violence of identity

Yesterday, I forced myself to look through an archive of thousands of screenshots I really didn’t want to see.

I’ve been doing things like this a lot lately. Part of it is for research, as I’m working on a book to be published next year about the “woke” madness, its historical causes, the role of bodily alienation in its political framing, and what the left can do about it. This means I’m also reading books I don’t want to read as well, or books I read and told myself I’d never read again.

There is another reason why I’m doing this, though. I’m trying to correct a mistake I made over the last few years by not looking at things that threatened my worldview and ideology.

That’s something we all do, of course, no matter what our framework is. When new information arrives that cannot fit into our own narratives, we often just ignore it, or dismiss such accounts as false. When neither of those work, we then try to reshape that information to fit into our narrative, stripping it of its foreign content or isolating it from the rest of our worldview.

That’s all basically an immune response. Our ideologies—no matter what they are—seem to protect themselves when something threatens them. This is a neutral thing, I think. We really cannot go about our lives always having to develop a new understanding of the world every day. It would be impossible to exist that way. Such frameworks are shorthands, symbolic orders which tell us who is worthy of our trust and attention (like families, partners, friends), who should be listened to even when we disagree (bosses, landlords, people pointing guns at you), and who cannot be trusted or who doesn’t have your best interests in mind.

Of course, we have to continuously alter these, but those alterations are slow and rare. A family member does something really shitty and so you re-evaluate their place in that framework, a person you didn’t trust suddenly saves your life and you re-evaluate their place as well. Being too rigid can cause just as many problems as the instability of constant framework changes, and we usually find a balance to this.

I thought I had a balance also, but maybe I didn’t. Or, as a friend said to me, “you weren’t ready to look at that stuff, your life was too chaotic back then.” And that’s true. Over the last five years, I moved to Europe, found myself in an abusive marriage in a country I wasn’t born in, then fled into the kind of nomadic situation which defined much of my life (despite deeply loving rooted attachment to place, there is a safety and beauty in nomadism, which I will write about sometime). Then COVID happened just a month and a half after meeting my now partner, and so the entire world changed while I also started a new relationship.

Having some sort of rigidity during that time was a kind of security, which I think anyone can understand. This same truth explains also why so many others become rigid in their ideologies, especially people in traumatic situations, or people bombarded with constant news and social media posts about how certain people want to kill them. This is also a key to understanding religious fundamentalism. Not that this justifies any of the violence such fundamentalism leads to, only that it cannot be comprehended without looking at the unstability of the societies those fundamentalists live in.

Speaking of “social media posts about how certain people want to kill them,” that theme composed a significant part of the archive I mentioned at the beginning. That archive,1 which I found via Jozua’s recent essay, contains several thousand screenshots of social media posts by trans and non-binary people. The subjects range from calling for the death of “cis gays,” railing about them because of their refusal to have sex with them, proclaiming proudly they have “tricked” cis gay men into having sex with them in darkrooms, urging people to “normalise homophobia” again, and a slew of related things which are really, really difficult to read.

I will post a few examples below, for those who might doubt my account of the archive’s contents or for those who don’t have the stomach to peruse it.

There are thousands of these in that archive. I did a lot of checking on Twitter to verify if these were real accounts. All of the ones I checked are, or were (some were suspended for terms of service violations). And many of them share a core feature, not only the non-binary or trans identities, but also similar ages (between 17 and 26, with only a small handful being from accounts that identified their ages over 40).

Here, my own ideological framework went to that commonality first to ‘isolate’ this information from the rest of my world. “They’re all just young,” I thought to myself. And that’s true, but what precisely does “just being young” mean?

Kyle Rittenhouse was 17 when he shot people during a protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Patrick Crusius was 23 years old when he shot 23 people at a Walmart in New Mexico. Dylann Roof was 21 when he shot up a church in Charleston, South Carolina. In fact, most of the violent shootings in the United States whose victims were chosen based on their identity were perpetrated by people between the ages of 17 and 26.

By telling myself, “they’re just young,” I was trying to tell myself that they were not capable of violence and also would eventually “grow out” of this kind of violent rhetoric. Unfortunately, following up on some of the twitter accounts from which they were posted also revealed images of some of those people’s other hobbies:

Now, to be clear, I only found a few accounts that also posted photos of their guns. Many more contained ‘hot takes’ on plot twists in anime series, or photos of themselves, or just really boring, mundane posts about what they had for dinner or the cute top they found.

That is to say, there is not some armed military movement of non-binary and trans people out to kill gay men who are not attracted to trans men. And also, despite the hundreds of boasts about wanting to kill “cis gays,” it seems unlikely any such purge is coming.

This may, again, be the immune system of my ideological framework shutting down something which threatens it, but what I read in all these posts was ressentiment. Many of the screenshots contain multiple posts from the same account side-by-side. In some you will see the person wishing death to all ‘fags’ just after posting about how frustrated they are that they cannot get laid by those same men.

In fact, what appears to be happening is the same process which occurs with “involuntary celibates” (incels), who turn their frustration at not being able to find a sexual partner into an ideology which paints them as a righteous victim. For the incel, the response to this situation is to hate both women and the men they desire, to see both as part of a grand conspiracy to deny them the sexual experiences that should be theirs by right of being human.

That’s what it appears many of these people are doing. Especially in their many complaints that some gay men “refuse” to have sex with trans men, they are turning their own sexual frustration into a political ideology.

Now, here is where I am feeling pretty shitty about myself, because this is exactly the same thing many women—and especially lesbians—have told me has been occuring for them. I have had many friends who have reported feeling pressured by a trans woman to have sex with them, and even more who have told me that the rhetoric around trans acceptance often amounts to a sense that people have no right to choose who they desire.

I ignored these statements, because it didn’t fit into my worldview. I also ignored the complaints that much of the rhetoric about “TERFs” employed some really abusive, violent, and rapey language. Even when shown screenshots of trans women threatening to rape a gender-critical woman “with my girl dick” and reading through an archive of similar screenshots of posts directed at J.K. Rowling, I still mostly ignored this stuff.

When I saw that collection, I did mention it to a trans friend of mine, an anarchist with generally balanced opinions of the world. I was rather suprised by that friend’s response, which was to berate me for even bringing it up.

“What they’re doing is nothing compared to what Rowling is doing to them,” was the response, followed by a massive social media pile-on by others who took my concern about this to be sign that I was anti-trans.

I think this friend (not sure if we’re still friends or not) was reacting in the same way I had when I encountered these things. That is, I think their ideological immune response had kicked in just as mine had, and this information that didn’t fit needed to be pushed out or isolated.

This same thing happened for me in relation to “American Antifa.” For a long time, I’d ignore any evidence of excesses or unjustifiable violence against uninvolved people (that is, people who were not even slightly fascist leaning) because it threatened my worldview. I’d hear stories of people’s lives destroyed for merely asking honest questions, or the wrong people being doxxed (their personal information published online), and especially accounts of people who were absolutely leftist getting smeared and doxxed by Antifa-branded people who had accumulated enough social capital to use it against rivals.

The moment when I couldn’t stop looking at these things occurred just a few months ago, when one of the major architects of American Antifa was revealed to be working alongside ex-CIA agents and other state-security people at an “anti-extremism” think tank. That was too much to ignore, and even more difficult to ignore was how many of the other people and groups involved worked very hard to silence that story and any anarchists or leftists asking honest questions about what this might mean.

There are many, many other things I can point to where I was either willfully blind or actively trying to fend off any foreign invasion to my rigid worldview. And maybe I still am trying to fight these off with the conclusions I have come to with all this, which is that this is all just inevitable human behavior.

I mentioned in an earlier essay (citing an essay by Slippery Elm) that the left is particularly stupid when it comes to questions of human nature. We mostly just deny that such a thing exists, that there are things all humans tend towards in certain situations, that all humans are capable of doing really awful things and really beautiful things.

That’s how I see that archive full of trans and non-binary people declaring their desire to kill gay men, and also all those posts about women, and also all the shitty things Antifa did. The only conclusions that seem reasonable are that there are some really shitty humans and no political, ideological, racial, gender, or other identity makes anyone more or less likely to do such things than any other.

This goes all ways. If we are to admit that some trans and non-binary people are violent and even rapey, but that this does not define in any way people who are trans and non-binary (which is what I believe), than we must also admit the same thing about every other identity group.

This collapses all identitarianism, though. Because that means we cannot say men or white people are inherently anything, anymore than we can say women or black people are inherently anything either.

That deadlock is I think why the woke cling to such fundamentalist ideas about identity, and why they have an even harder time dealing with evidence that suggests people in “oppressed” identities are just as shitty as people in “privileged” identities. To admit that a trans person might be inclined to rape or kill a cis person out of ressentiment or sexual frustration is to admit that the incel who might do the same is just as human. To admit that a black person might be inclined to harm a white person soley based on their skin color is to admit that the white person who would do the same to a black person is equally human and equally capable of violence.

That means, in the end, that identity is not only a useless terrain of political discourse, but also that attempts to build political movements around identity are very dangerous and destructive paths. This goes equally for white nationalism as it does intersectional feminism: both lead to the same abstraction of humans into dehumanized categories.

And once we dehumanize people, once we accept any framework which reduces people to their identity, it is much easier to call for their deaths on social media and attempt to enact those deaths on the streets.

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This is the archive. I don’t believe in content warnings, but I really need to say that reading through every single one of these (it took me several hours) was the hardest thing I’ve ever done. After reading it I held my partner closer than I think I ever have and just let myself feel the warmth of another human’s body in order to be okay again.

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Responses to “Ideology and Its Immune Response”

  1. JC_Collins

    More people need to wake up to this. Once again I am reminded of The Rescue Game: “In the Rescue Game, all members of the group assigned the role of Victim are always, only, and equally Victims, all members of the group assigned the role of Persecutor are always, only, and equally Persecutors, and the maltreatment of the Victims by the Persecutors is the only thing that matters. If anyone tries to bring anyone else’s treatment of anyone else into the game, it’s either dismissed as an irrelevance or denounced as a deliberate, malicious attempt to distract attention from the maltreatment of the Victims by the Persecutors.” – from ‘American Narratives: The Rescue Game’ at https://www.resilience.org/stories/2016-04-14/american-narratives-the-rescue-game/

    1. Rhyd Wildermuth

      Definitely. I think John Michael Greer also pointed to that as well, I believe in his recent book (which I will be reviewing soon).

  2. Donald Gecewicz

    Back in the Minoan Era, when I was at the University of Knossos, majoring in Linear B, nobody talked about a binary. A binary comes from computer programming–0 or 1, on or off. How binary somehow came to describe human sexuality and gender is, may I respectfully suggest, a topic for another essay.

    Even the most conservative people have never talked about sexuality and gender as 0 or 1, on or off. I’m thinking of Sappho and of Aristophanes at the Symposium with his idea of love / desire as separated halves. In Catholicism and Orthodoxy, priests and nuns had a kind of shamanic status–the beyond-sexual religious figure. The classical metaphor, the hermaphrodite, is a union / fusion of two of the most popular and alluring divinities–Hermes and Aphrodite. And then there’s Magnus Hirshfeld or Alfred Kinsey.

    If we want to talk about sexuality and gender, we should be talking about a (musical) gamut or a (musical) scale. Anything else is veering toward puritanism.

    Too much of U.S. academic hypothesizing, which is passed of as “theory,’ is bloviating and a warming up of leftovers from bad Platonism (most of Platonism is), Methodist Youth Camp, or Psychology 101. The mind-body problem was solved years ago. We are not made up of a separable body, mind, soul, genitalia, free-floating desires–unless one wants to go mad.

    1. Rhyd Wildermuth

      One of the core arguments I intend to make in the book I am writing on all of this is exactly your point. When we see ourselves not only as a mere collection of segments but also as “having” bodies rather than “being bodies,” it leads us to these kinds of problems.

      One place I think this really manifests is in the way we talk about desire, as if it is an external thing or a biologically determined thing, rather than something we are actually doing. That is, it’s become a noun rather than a verb, and thus we forget (or displace, or even deny) our agency in the world.

  3. Paul Kingsnorth

    I made the mistake of looking at that archive. That is truly hideous, even by the standards of social media, which I avoid for that reason.

    I am really coming to conclusion that something very evil is in the air. And I mean evil, in the sense in which both a Christian and, I would guess, a druid, would recognise. There is a very dark energy around all this and I fear where it is leading a lot of young people especially.

    1. Rhyd Wildermuth

      I don’t have another word for it besides evil, either.

      I think there is a specific kind of evil that happens when you give yourself over to ressentiment, because the part we tend to forget about that state is the “righteous victimhood” aspect of it which leads people to then see themselves as justified in not only doing what they feel was done to them, but even more than that all in the name of seeking justice.

      1. Paul Kingsnorth

        In the Christian universe, of course, this is exactly how the devil works. Ressentiment is his middle name, and his operating pattern. That’s the Eden story, after all: the devil convinces us humans, in our naivete, that God is not protecting us, but is actually withholding truth and power from us which should by rights be ours. It is thus our right to eat the fruit! Why should this patriarch stop us?

        Well, you get the point. I come back again and again to the story of the Fall because it seems to paint so perfectly a picture of who we are at root, but also how the devil works: by selling us a story that the end justifies the means. And of course, that we are the good guys …

  4. Anonymous
    1. Rhyd Wildermuth

      I told my partner last night that I could not possibly even look at these things without him. Besides him, there is my gym work and the forests around me to keep me human through all this. I am deeply fortunate and I cannot imagine how hard stuff like this would be for people without those things.

      Also, funny story–I just only yesterday realised we already knew each other. I always wondered what happened to you and hoped you were still writing and so deeply glad you are.

  5. MooShuBjork

    I’m not shocked about the level of this malice and viciousness in these posts. A certain segment of SJ culture encourages it. I was intrigued that you have an archive of posts that have disturbed you. I’ve been doing the same thing for several years and thought maybe it was just me that did that. It seemed important for me to have proof that my claims that my progressive friends have been dismissing are verifiably true and are not a few random incidences. I think I kept a collection to remind myself that I am not exaggerating or delusional in the patterns that I see that I’m trying to get progressive friends to acknowledge and take seriously. You know what I mean? Those of us traditionally on the left but calling out hatred are gaslit into believing that is a figment of our imagination and “the real problem” is Trump. As though there can’t be more than one real problem.

    The 100% truth is that when I’ve seen Neo-Nazi like anti-Jewish rhetoric and looked at the profile of people it’s coming from the overwhelming majority of times it is filled with all the social justice memes [believe women, no one is illegal, stop profiling Muslims, BLM, trans rights are human rights, etc]. I do a little bit more digging to make sure it’s not a fake profile and unfortunately the overwhelming majority of times it is clearly not a sock puppet account. It’s a miniscule percent of the time it’s actually coming from white nationalists. It’s a relief when it’s coming from them because at least they’re consistent. And at least you can publicly express your anger at it without being silenced and shamed.

    1. Rhyd Wildermuth

      There was a time when I kept “receipts” of such things in the form of screenshots on a smartphone for specifically that reason. I would talk about how such things were happening and be told “no it’s not” or “you’re over-reacting.”

      I found that offering those screenshots as proof didn’t help, though. Again, I think this is because we really, really, really do not want to know these things.

      And yeah, it is super weird to see all of these social justice statements on accounts enacting the very same thing they are claiming to fight.

    2. JC_Collins

      There’s another archive at terfisaslur.com, documenting violent threats and fantasies mainly directed at women (both straight and lesbian).

      1. MooShuBjork

        Wow, this is amazing. Thanks for sharing this link.

  6. MooShuBjork

    “Also, the percentage of LGBT voting for Trump doubled from 2016. DOUBLED!!! This is why LGBT people of color don’t really trust the white gays. Yes, I said what I said. Period.”
    5:37 AM · Nov 4, 2020

    The above tweet was from New York Times columnist Charles Blow. While it doesn’t come close to rising to the level of hatred that you have posted as examples it does show a trend to allow open hostility to white gay men in mainstream progressive culture and media. It should be added that Blow was the first to loudly object when white gay men started pointing out that Blacks voted in high numbers for Prop. 8 in CA. When I brought this up and response he blocked me.

    1. Rhyd Wildermuth

      I will write soon on the way Trump’s existence helped solidify this ‘you’re either with us or you’re a fascist’ rigidity in the woke.

      In 2020, Trump got more black votes than in 2016. In fact, he got more votes from every group except white men….

  7. JC_Collins

    I hate to sound cynical, but I figured that society as a whole would ignore this kind of thing (horrible behavior and entitlement issues from trans activists and their allies) until it started to affect cis men – gay, straight, or both. But at least now people are listening.

    1. Rhyd Wildermuth

      That’s not being cynical, but being realistic. And unfortunately I’m not sure people are really listening yet…

    2. Anonymous
      1. JC_Collins

        Most men tune out feminism as soon as they hear the word!

  8. Erin E.

    I read both your and Jozua’s posts on this and I thank you for looking at the ugliness head on and shining the light at it. Doing so is personally taxing to say the very least, as you both have expressed.

    To slightly change tracks, but it’s related: this is a willful blindness I also see in radical SJ spaces where abolish the police is/was a theme. Regardless of what one feels about the systems of policing and their efficacy, my husband was a police officer for five years, and once you’ve seen it you can’t unsee it: some people, their circumstances and intersectionalities and oppressions cannot justify their horrifying behavior. Some people really are just truly shitty humans.

    1. Rhyd Wildermuth

      I worked as a social worker for 6 years, and while I was generally on the side of depolicing the police saved my life multiple times.

      What is missing in a lot of these discussions about depolicing is that Black Marxists like the Panthers were not arguing for no policing, but rather that they communities could police themselves better than a state institution. One place this was relevant was with drug dealing. They were not for ‘decriminalisation” of drugs, but rather thought they themselves could stop the drug dealers better than the police. That wasn’t through social work, though–it was through armed confrontation.

      When you look at the move for depolicing, it is often from middle class communities who are not being destroyed by lower class criminality. This is why over and over again we see poor black communities begging for more police, not fewer.

  9. Emily

    Rhyd; deep thanks to you for looking unflinchingly at the horror of this particular form of ressentiment, and for going out on the limb to point it out.

    There’s been a lot of various events in my life recently that seems to be having the effect of suppressing my old ideological immune responses; not even a year ago, I wouldn’t have been able to stomach reading something like this without reacting much like your anarchist friend did. Particularly because I, like your friend, supposedly “belong” to the trans community that also includes people who assembled such a horrific archive… and have trained myself to perhaps shrug and change the subject at some of the toxic things I’ve heard friends say or hint at, to remember what it was like to be at a less healed place, or remember the truly hateful stuff people have said about “my community” and use that to forget about the equally poisonous darts coming from behind me.

    But trauma, rejection and misunderstanding is universal; why is it that I’ve trained myself to grant forgiveness to one group of people, and nurture spite towards others? Am I actually a part of this community to the point where I need to tribally defend its borders, simply because we share a convenient label that covers our unique and deeply personal relationships to our bodies? Do I have a responsibility, for that matter, to police the behaviors of people who fall in that group, so that this label remains in the “good graces” of the public?

    I guess these are rhetorical questions; but I’m starting to think the answer is probably “No, of course not”. And yet these are allIt’s shocking to look at ingrained responses like this, and realize how taken-for-granted they are; and how nervous of different, more meaningful questions I am, even when I am starved for new, more fertile paradigms.

    Anyway… thanks again, and hope you stay well!

    1. Rhyd Wildermuth

      I think the key word is “community,” which begs a question: who is our community?

      I’m gay, and I’m told that means I am part of a gay “community.” But I don’t have anything in common with most of them except for being human and gay.

      On the other hand, I live in a community of people: my partner, his mother who lives just next door, my neighbor and his wife and child, etc. I have place in common with them, and we share physical things (stuff from my garden and my partner’s garden, eggs from our neighbor’s chickens). When there is a problem, we all show up to help the other person, or just say ‘hello’ often.

      I’m not responsible for any of their actions, nor they for mine, but we share much more in common with each other than nebulous identity categories. Even in closer relations (for instance, my partner and I, or me and my sister who lives nearby), we’re still not responsible for each other’s actions, though we might help each other shape our actions to avoid unnecessary conflict.

      For the modern idea of “community,” there isn’t even a shared sense of location or physical exchange, yet there is still the idea that the group is defined cohesively and must act all in the same way. This sounds more and more ridiculous when we look at actual physical communities and how even they cannot be defined that way.

  10. Benny

    “To admit that a trans person might be inclined to rape or kill a cis person out of ressentiment or sexual frustration is to admit that the incel who might do the same is just as human.”

    amazing quote!

  11. Riley

    I am just so glad I have found your writings, you speak so well to what is troubling me amongst the ‘left’ these days. There are so many blind spots that people are unwilling to look at but we really need to do it to actually make real change.

  12. Anti-Woke Trans Guy

    As a man-loving trans man, I just wanted to say that I’ve seen this behavior from some of my fellow trans people and it’s disgusting and disturbing. I don’t hold these views myself:

    -I am not entitled to sex/relationships with everyone/anyone. No one owes me anything.
    -Genital preference is not the same as transphobia. I mean, saying “I only date ‘real men’” is kind of a mean thing to say, but “I prefer cocks sorry” isn’t really. That’s just life, man! There are dudes who will date/fuck dudes with a pussy, and some won’t, and that’s OK. It’s not that dissimilar to finding a partner who’s compatible in terms of personality and values and whatnot. You just move on and try again, y’know? Jeez.
    -Threatening violence/rape against people is never OK. I don’t agree with JK Rowling’s views (in that she presents trans women as inherently predatory) but my god, people have said some abhorrent things to her in response. Way to prove her arguments wrong, y’all. facepalm

    I came out and began transitioning a decade ago before it got to be trendy, and a lot of these trancels (this is a word now ok) give old-school trans guys like me a bad name, because we learned to suck it the fuck up and deal. These people who are deciding they’re trans or “non-binary” like five minutes ago and using it as an excuse to be shitty to LGB people with a genital preference are going to cause a huge backlash against legitimately trans people with dysphoria who just want to live our lives in peace and not push an agenda.

    I am so so sorry the things these people said caused you such anxiety, it’s horrible and I’m ashamed people are like that.

    And thank you for writing about how wokeness is a grift, it really is, it’s “divide and conquer” strategies that are keeping the Left back from real progress and societal change. Your blog, and a few others here on Substack, has helped me to make sense and put into words things that have been bothering me about so-called “social justice” for awhile now.

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